Discussion:
Why No Competition in the 450 and 550 Market?
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pdb
2003-09-05 22:11:28 UTC
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Seems to me that Ford-Chevy-Dodge all compete in the Ranger, F150, F250,
F350 marketplace. But Ford has the F450, F550 and neither Dodge nor Chevy
seems to have a competitive mdoel.
Am I missing something?
GHOF
2003-09-05 23:20:03 UTC
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How about the Chevy Kodiak 5500 series?

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Mellowed
2003-09-06 02:31:45 UTC
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Isn't that more like the F650?

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Joe
2003-09-06 07:01:49 UTC
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I find that question interesting as well. Here's how I see it. There were no
trucks between "light duty" and "medium duty" for nearly 100 years. At one
time, medium duty trucks were pretty small, and I guess it wasn't all that
strange. In other words, in 1940, when a 1.5 ton truck could carry only
(duh) 1.5 tons. Only 3000 pounds - too small to haul a car, and not much of
a dump truck either. These old trucks were small and low. There was no need
for a product between 1 ton and 1.5 tons.

Medium duty truck engineering was separate from pickups and they evolved in
different ways. Pickups really grew in the 50's (starting in 47), but medium
duty trucks grew much more and the size difference between them really shot
up. It left an obvious void. This persisted for a long time, like 30 years.
Ford inserted a product in the void first, calling it the F-superduty in the
late 80's. It looked to me like an F-700 low-rider on 16 inch wheels. I
wonder what took them so long; the result was Ford enjoys a monopoly on
small tow trucks and rollbacks, small emergency vehicles, and lots of other
commercial vehicles in that size range. It's interesting to point out that
people used to have C30's in all these jobs but they were always too small.
Folks just had to live with it. On the highway, it looks like GM blew a big
lead in "1-ton" trucks but I don't know what the stats would say. Dodge, of
course, stopped making them entirely in 1980 so those statistics are pretty
easy!

Obviously GM and Dodge have thought about this market, so my opinion is they
don't think it's worth the money to go after it, even though it's clearly a
big market. If GM and Dodge want to take a shot at it, they have to develop
products AND they'd only get part of the market AND competition would drive
prices down. It's not worth nearly as much to go in as the second player.
Eventually GM will do it, because they have unlimited resources, and they'll
justify it by saying it's good for sales of other (higher volume) trucks.
It's a highly visible market. Dodge will not because they have no
pretentions of building large trucks anyway.
Post by pdb
Seems to me that Ford-Chevy-Dodge all compete in the Ranger, F150, F250,
F350 marketplace. But Ford has the F450, F550 and neither Dodge nor Chevy
seems to have a competitive mdoel.
Am I missing something?
Falcoon
2003-09-06 09:03:31 UTC
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nope you are not missing anything. the
1/2 ,3/4, and 1 ton pickup lines are "yuppie cars" , just like broncos,
blazers, and durangos. ford makes the F450 and 550 for people that need trucks
James Gillespie
2003-09-08 12:18:07 UTC
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One other item. Every F-450 and F-550 goes toward the total number of
F-series sold there by increasing the numbers for the #1 Selling truck in
America
Post by pdb
Seems to me that Ford-Chevy-Dodge all compete in the Ranger, F150, F250,
F350 marketplace. But Ford has the F450, F550 and neither Dodge nor Chevy
seems to have a competitive mdoel.
Am I missing something?
Kent
2003-10-13 01:16:15 UTC
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I should certainly hope not! Nobody counts the F450 / F550 / F650 / F750 / F850
/ F950 as light trucks, the very segment that the original post was referring
to. Let's try to remain objective here.
Post by James Gillespie
One other item. Every F-450 and F-550 goes toward the total number of
F-series sold there by increasing the numbers for the #1 Selling truck in
America
Post by pdb
Seems to me that Ford-Chevy-Dodge all compete in the Ranger, F150, F250,
F350 marketplace. But Ford has the F450, F550 and neither Dodge nor Chevy
seems to have a competitive mdoel.
Am I missing something?
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